Born ‎17-6-1856 Oudshoorn, Netherland, died ‎2- Aug 1905 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 48 or 49 years. Occupation: Wholsale cattle merchant. Son of Jacob Philip van Gelderen and Jeanette Haantje‏

Born ‎16-3-1861 Hoorn, Netherland, died ‎1- Jan 1935 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 73 or 74 years, ‎1st marriage to: Abraham Pep Asscher - Pop, ‎2nd marriage to: Meijer van Gelderen - Haantje. Daughter of David Jacob Polak - Trompetter and Hanna Abraham Vedder - Hoornman‏