Born ‎29-10-1863 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland, died ‎17-8-1909 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland‎, 45 or 46 years. Son of Philip Lazarus van Gelder/ Abraham and Matta Karseboom/ Meijer-Kui‏

Born ‎8-12-1869 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland, died ‎28-12-1931 Groningen-Groningen, Netherland‎, 61 or 62 years. Daughter of Mozes van den Berg/ van Lee and Anna Frank/ van der Hors‏