Born ‎12-4-1912 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎11-6-1943 Sobibor-Biala Podleska, Poland‎, 30 or 31 years. Son of Benjamin Engers/ van Thij and Bertha Reindorp - Frank‏

Born ‎13-11-1915 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎25-4-1980 Amsterdam, Netherland‎, 64 or 65 years. Occupation: Barber, ‎1st marriage to: Adelbert Thal, ‎2nd marriage/ related to: David Engers/ Reindor. Daughter of Abraham Porcelijn/ Vischjage and Lea Frankfort‏