Born ‎1858 Amsterdam, Netherland, died ‎after 1923‎, at least 65 years. Son of Salomon Lelie and NN Izaak Luza‏

Born ‎23-7-1860 Utrecht, Netherland, died ‎28-5-1923 Bussum, Netherland‎, 62 or 63 years, ‎1st marriage to: Leendert Joseph van Gelder/ Knoe, ‎2nd marriage to: Wolf Lelie/ Luz. Daughter of Lion Gans - Cohen and Sara Simon Rubens/ van Praa‏