Born ‎6- Apr 1849 Leeuwarden-Friesland, Netherland, died ‎23-8-1925 Leeuwarden-Friesland, Netherland‎, 75 or 76 years. Son of Marcus\Markus Joseph Hartog Krammer/ Marcu and Betje Bela Izak van Messel‏

Born ‎6- Jun 1833 Leeuwarden-Friesland, Netherland, died ‎26-4-1906 Leeuwarden-Friesland, Netherland‎, 72 or 73 years. Daughter of Benjamin Jacobs Cohen/ van der Veld and Roosje van CleefKleef/ Harto‏